Thursday 29 November 2007

I never quite got The Smiths...

Primarily because I found/find Morrissey so objectionable. They have some very good songs certainly and I do like some of them, but any time Morrissey opens his mouth I find myself trying to control the urge not to break something. I did think for a while that maybe he had mellowed in his old age and that maybe he was more pleasant. Of course I was wrong. He's still a tube. Evidence? Well, have a look here here. It's an article in The Independent concerning an interview that he's given to the NME out today. Some choice cuts from the article if you can't be bothered reading the whole thing:

"England is a memory now," he says, in an interview with the NME published yesterday. "The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in."

and

"Although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears. So the price is enormous. Travel to England and you have no idea where you are. It matters because the British identity is very attractive. I grew up into it and I find it very quaint and amusing. Other countries have held on to their basic identity, yet it seems to me that England was thrown away."

Ah, of course! That old chestnut of conflating Britishness and Englishness. Indeed. I nearly forgot that Britain (purports) to represent Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales. And that's before I even get on to the irony of somebody who was shacked up in the Hollywood Hills for years, but now lives in Rome, who is the son of Irish immigrants talking about the gates being flooded and anyone getting access to join in. Yes, must have been a real killer for you to be able to be raised in England after your parents moved there, make all your money and then move to wherever you wanted to in the world, Steve. Xenophobic undertones? No not at all. Honest. Having made your money then buggered off after some less than well-received press in, oh wait! The NME! Surprise! Obviously Stevie-boy doesn't consider himself as diluting the culture of Rome or Hollywood whenever he decides to live somewhere other than where he was born. So is it on the basis of class or race that he has a problem with immigrants in Britain? Old Stevie makes his comments sufficiently vague as per usual so as to build up some mystery about what he really means. Only there's no real mystery is there?

What is the British identity anyway? Britain is a mongrel nation, just like more or less all nations. The notion of a particular British identity puzzles me. What is it? Allegiance to the Queen? Stiff upper lip? Adherence to the notion of Empire? Desire to be at the top table in world affairs? Pride in being a part of a group of countries? Drinking tea? Obviously most readers of this blog have a fairly good idea of what my opinions on the matter are, but I am genuinely puzzled by the ideal of a British identity. Morrissey's ill-advised comments regarding being flooded with immigrants are as repulsive as Enoch Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' speech nearly 40 years ago. Aye, maybe Morrissey is the new Enoch Powell?! Britain has a proud history of helping those less fortunate (well, except during times of Empire when it was busy shafting those less fortunate wherever possible) by providing a safe haven from persecution and it has contributed markedly towards Britain being a forward looking multicultural society. Even though I don't necessarily agree with the idea of there being a Britain per se, I still find Morrissey's musings offensive. He's controversial for the sake of being controversial- a desperate man desperate for reccognition in the twilight of his career. And here I am giving him it! Morrissey has the last laugh as always! A sad, desperate, misanthrope laughing at me? Boo hoo.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Britain is a multicultural society? Don't make me laugh. I suppose you weren't living in London when some Muslims decided to bomb it, so it's understandable you should cling to the myth.

Don't confuse culture and race, man.

Anonymous said...

Also, Enoch Powell was a good politician, apart from the racism, obviously. His economics were spot on.

Richie said...

Drinking tea with a stiff upper lip is actually quite a difficult skill to acquire.

Anyway, I'd trust Moz much more than the NME. They're probably just out to get him and misquoting him to sell a few more copies of their doomed rag, Rags.

Anonymous said...

I heard he was devious and truculent.

Anonymous said...

For God's sake, the NME are blowing this out of proportion to sell copies. Dur. Tim Jonze, the journalist asked for his name to be taken off the article because the NME editor's had skewed Morrissey's statements. He wasn't expressing racist views particularly, rather views that most thinking liberals would share.

In a follow up interview, to quote Dave Simpson's guardian blog, Morrissey makes comments "Explicitly denying that immigration is the reason he doesn't want to live in Britain, he damns this country over the cost of living and the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, admits that managed immigration "enriches" the country, says his favourite actor and singer are from Israel and Iraq, says he finds racism "very silly" and supports the Love Music Hate Racism campaign. Indeed, he wanted the slogan on the (now withdrawn by NME) free single.

"Although the use of language like "the gates are flooded, anybody can have access to England" is perhaps unfortunate when taken out of context, in the context of the interview his position is remarkably similar to that adopted by all three mainstream political parties in this country - that immigration is beneficial but shouldn't be a free for all, nor should it be contrary to the retention of a firm and recognisably British national and cultural identity. Without wishing to sound like his hero Kenneth Williams, the latter is the central thrust of Morrissey's position."

I'm surprised you jumped on this so rapidly Niall, you're being played by the NME and sound like a liberal version of 'Disgusted of Milton Keynes'.

It would seem that IPC Sub-Editors dictate your views. Is this true?

Also, Morrissey was talking about England, not Britain.

niall said...

So the bit where he says "Although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears" isn't talking about Britain? it quote clearly is- that was my point about conflating Britishness and Englishness.

I realise that the NME are doing it to sell copies, but as far as I'm aware the quotes are direct, otherwise there will be a libel case, no? If there is an he's been misquoted I'll admit to being wrong. Language like "the gates are flooded" isn't unfortunate- it is deliberate and used by someone who has a very good grasp of the English language. I don't have my views dictated by IPC sub-editors any more than you do. Morrissey should have known better to spout those kind of words. That is very vivid terminology that only gives fuel to the scaremongering over immigration. Morrissey is well aware that we live in the sound-bite age and must have known that every word he says is analysed. He's not stupid.

Further, he is making an issue of it apparently because he finds British identity "quaint and amusing". If he's so entertained by it why is he so upset by its "erosion"?

I didn't say that Morrissey was being racist, I was very clear that I didn't say that- that is why I posed the question of whether it was on the basis of class or race that he had a problem with immigrants in Britain.

I also find it more than ironic that a multi-millionaire who's made a great deal of his money in this country complaining about the cost of living being too high here. Then again, his drummer will be familiar with his attitude towards money.

Anonymous said...

Niall - your posts are (only sometimes)a bit ranty and indignant. But I don't care enough about this one to join in one one side or another. And I suppose that is what blogs are for.

Where has the Scottish Cooperative Wholesale Republic gone?

Oh - and I'm surprised that you don't like The Smiths.

Anonymous said...

Ps

"Firemen"

Big fat sons of Satan
clumsy psychopaths
never on time..

Pathological liars
so full of hate
not a bit of compassion
never far from trouble..

Absolute cowards
obsessed with water
noisy buffoons
shouting about nothing..

Bone-idle incompetents
children in uniform
can start nothing
can only put things out..

The most corrupt
profession in the world
A job for sneaky
little shits and
greedy egomaniacs

Paul Birtill

AM said...

i bet the Moz twins wouldn't want to read this post/comments. All I know is England has GOT to let me in this December 27th or I'll be in tears and it'll be worse than spending your birthday in O'Hare.

Jo said...

ha. well moz twin 1's (or is it 2?) response to me, after rolled eyes, was that she doesn't think morrissey is racist, he just misses the england of his youth. and i learned all about the 1992 moz nme scandal. if you're lucky she'll read this and give her official comment.

but yeah, there's a now a defamation suit.

Anonymous said...

someone kick away his soapbox